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Gnome-Shell, KDE or Xfce?


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I've noticed reading a number of blogs that not everyone is too happy with gnome-shell. So:

With the end of Gnome 2, are you staying with Gnome or switching to another desktop environment such as KDE or Xcfe?

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 To kick things off...

 
 by marcaemus on: Jun 8 2011
 
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My experiences with early versions of gnome-shell (about 2.91.x) were very much less than impressive and I was waiting for gnome-shell to develop before trying again. From what I've been reading, I won't be going into Gnome 3 land.

KDE 4.6 seems finally (to me) to offer all the functionality I want and with much better display performance than earlier series. (Must note that upgrading NVidia driver helped here.)

So after 7 years of Gnome, its KDE for me.

Curious to hear other opinions.


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 Re: To kick things off...

 
 by novomente on: Jun 9 2011
 
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Gnome-Shell is good. The most thing I dislike is the window switching. Because user must go to Activities and then search for the right small window preview (the text of the window preview is very tiny and is more difficult to read). It is possible to click the icon on the left panel in activities. But if there are two or more windows of the same application then there is a problem I wrote above.

There is also an option to switch among windows by using Alt+Tab key shortcut. But it's all about cycling among windows which and is also slow.

So I stay with Gnome 2 till it remains in distribution (Debian or LinuxMint Debian) and I will wait until Gnome-Shell improves (window switching, customization features, applets, new features etc.)

KDE is good and well improving. But still buggy. Everytime I try it another bug pops up. Also I'm used to use gnome applications, so switching to KDE is a big change.

XFCE is good too. Still I miss many features in it. XFCE uses GTK+ and in the future, I suppose, it will use GTK+3. I don't like too much some things in GTK+3 (apple like staff like the button switch instead of checkbox, tongue effect of showing popup window etc.) but I understand that gnome is trying to attract new users of linux.

Enlightenment looks very good. I mean that it is well improving, quick with effects, no bugs I detected. I think when there will be new desktop environment build on top of Enlightenment libraries, it could be very interesting competitive to Gnome/KDE/XFCE.

So I wait and watch how things improves in desktop environments' development and then I decide what to use and where I target my development interest.


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 Re: Re: To kick things off...

 
 by airdrik on: Jun 21 2011
 
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There already is a desktop environment built on the enlightenment libraries; it's called "Enlightenment" and it works really well (despite being in pre-alpha for 10 years and counting - they're getting pretty close to releasing real alphas soon...). Of course you may be refering to a suite of applications built on top of EFL - that is still a little while off, though people can at least get started since they have released stable versions of the base libraries. Even now you can just use the enlightenment desktop with your favorite gnome/xfce/kde/lxde/whatever apps.

As for the whole Gnome-shell vs. KDE vs. XFCE debate, I see a lot of people switching from Gnome 2 to XFCE and LXDE because the environments are very similar and both XFCE and LXDE use GTK as the primary widget set. I personally am a KDE guy - I enjoy the flexibility and customizability and tend to spend quite a bit of time tweaking that last little setting or adjusting that last bit of chrome to make sure that my environment looks and feels just the way I want it. Gnome-shell seems interesting, but I haven't been able to try it yet (I'm using Ubuntu at work, and they haven't gotten it fully working in PCLOS yet); but I expect to have similar experience with Gnome-shell as I did with Gnome 2 when I finally got a linux box at work: I used it for a week at best before installing KDE and "returning home".
I also personally believe the QT toolkit to be far superior to GTK.

Of course I also really enjoy Enlightenment - lots of potential for a fully-customizable environment, snappy feel, usually pretty stable, and the Everything launcher has turned into a staple in my work-flow: applications, files, web searches, IM contacts, windows, etc. all at my finger-tips in a concise dialog that's as easy to navigate with the mouse as it is with the keyboard.


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 Re: To kick things off...

 
 by TheRob on: Jun 11 2011
 
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After trying kde I find it to be the only
sane way to use desktop linux :)

Gnome simply does not offer enough functionality,
however, this has nothing to do with gnome-shell,
altho I've to say, from what I've seen of
gnome is that it aims for an even more
simplistic approach removing even more
functionality..... at least they could
have made gtk3 work better qt4 apps. but
noooo, even worse then gtk2 :-|

am I mad? aka "umad", -yes.

gnome ppl has suckered us again.


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 Re: Re: To kick things off...

 
 by thecurseddevil on: Aug 2 2011
 
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but u should also think about how much kde people have done to ensure that gtk apps integrate seamlessly in kde.well forget that,just wanna tell u that u were a legend at gtk2(slickness and its variants,overglossed)
when i was using ur theme any kde app looked better on gnome than kde.i never got it how to change qt themes(or whatever its called),changing plasma themes were easy and available widely on kde-look,but qt themes....
and another reason to prefer kde over gnome was because kde was,well not too creative imean the same look as windows etc,the launcher being like start menu of windows.Just look at gnome shell,adding a few extensions like alternative status menu and enabling all window buttons will make u ditch any de(atleast that happened to me)
as u may have seen some gnome shell themes,possibilty of customizing gnome shell is awesome.one disadvantage is of coarse the lacking compiz and emerald.in the end i would just request u to try ur hand at gnome shell or gtk3,just once....


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 Re: Re: Re: To kick things off...

 
 by thecurseddevil on: Aug 22 2011
 
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alright dumb moment
but how to f***g delete my last post!
i mean im using kde 4.7 sc and its awesome all that shit was for 4.1
btw windows sucks and they are stuck with just 1 theme(yes there are many windows 7 themes but they are just diff. wallpapers,sounds and colors)
and search and launch activity is great too it beats whole gnome 3 alone)
plus bespin and titanium bespin conf. rocks

too bad there are not many widget styles


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 Re: To kick things off...

 
 by ZTagr on: Aug 21 2011
 
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I am fairly new to the Linux comunity, so my "experience" with window managers, etc. is fairly limited. I will say though, that I really like a configurable yet fairly "minimalistic" desktop environment...; one which won't "get in my way" so to speak.

When I installed Slackware for the first time, I found the default KDE was fairly easy to configure, and pretty soon I had quite a comfortable desktop environment going.

Then one day I "accidentally" installed GDM. Well, I "meant" to install it, but NOT run it by DEFAULT! However, I did not know at the time that Slackware looks for GDM FIRST (ie. before KDE), and if it finds it present, runs THAT dtm instead!
Easy enough to fix, but whatever...; I got a chance to "play" with Gnome for a while. I found it to was fairly easy to configure and use as well. On to my point...

By way of the session manager and Gnome, I got a shot at xfce4, and BANG! I just love it! It does everything I need, without being "over-bearing". Its just the kind of dte I need and like!

So, yea, it's all a matter of personal preferance. I like Slackware for its "hands-on" feel (eg. the package manager requiring you to check on dependencies, etc.). If I had a choice, ALL FOUR of my PCs would be running Slax w/ xfce4!

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 Re: Re: To kick things off...

 
 by marcaemus on: Aug 21 2011
 
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Cool. I used to run Slack. Much fun.


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 Re: To kick things off...

 
 by RaBones on: Oct 3 2011
 
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I've been using KDE since Red Hat 6. I tried Enlightenment and Gnome back then, but KDE was familiar because the basic look was like CDE and whatever SunOS and HP-UX called their desktop then (mid-80's, don't remember* anymore). I still prefer KDE at work and home.

Having said that, I believe that everyone should switch to a different DTE once in a while for a day or two, if only to get a feel for how other people live. You get a better idea of what people are experiencing, good and bad, and what features may come to your DTE in months ahead.

Desktops are like beer. You have your favourite, but try something else now and then for variety.


(* There are lots of things about the 1980's that I don't remember anymore. Don't really want to either.)


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 if its not this, its that

 
 by nutellajunkie on: Jun 11 2011
 
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ive been online over half my life, and most of the arguments is always been about what is better..

Its a personal choice, not a technical one.

I used my beloved Amigas (yes plural) as server machines and desktop up until 2000. That was for personal choice. What a beautiful system it is I thought.

Since the day I turned towards the Linux world. Simple reason is, I have easily made it look so Amiga like its indistinguishable! Apart from Ubuntu tends to have even more beautiful looks.

Ive been, like most Linux user, obsessed with personalising my desktops. I have tried all the big and the wee window managers.

For me, Gnome is where I stay. I enjoy using it, its easy on my eye and it does the job I use my computers for.

You see what I said? I enjoy it and it does what I need it to. I get joy out of using it daily and thats the importance.


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 My update

 
 by marcaemus on: Aug 5 2011
 
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This is more about me wanting to hear the sound of my own keyboard rather than adding anything of any importance. Keep watching the youtube vids of gnome-shell but can't be convinced of its merits.

Anyhow, after these weeks of using KDE only, its not particularly about the interface anymore. KDE (QT) apps are just in a different league than their GTK counterparts. Kontact vs Evolution is a good enough point in comparison (though also thinking k3b/brasero and amarok/rhythmbox).

Even if gnome-shell progresses well, what kind of app would bring me back to gnome?

Anyone ... ?


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 Re: My update

 
 by user333 on: Aug 25 2011
 
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I've used KDE, XFCE, Unity, Gnome 2, and Gnome3, but my favorite is Gnome 3.

I don't like XFCE because it lacks many features that I want.

The reason I'm not using KDE most of the time is because of awkwardness and complexity of the interface(more clicks, more options). Of course, KDE is definitly one of the most visually attractive of the Linux Shells, but I go with more how much work I get done.

Gnome 3 allows me to work very quickly, because of the dynamic workspaces and the overview mode. I used to hate it, but after using it for several weeks because in order to learn GTK3, I've come to like it a lot. It's not without faults, but there is an add-ons that will fix most of the problems people have with it.

So to answer you question, I don't think any program would make me switch, but how well the DE suited my needs. For example, if I was just going to use my computer for browsing the web, email, and games, I use KDE. If I'm going to do some serious computer work, such as programming, graphics, and multitasking, I'm going to use Gnome 3. I actually use KDE, Gnome 3 and Unity on my computer. I just choose between then depending on what I want to do.

Another thing I would suggest to anybody: Don't go by what people say about a DE. Go by how you much you like it. I also suggest that you don't try it for 5 minutes and say you hate it. Use it full-time for about a week, and THEN see if you like it. I hated Gnome 3 at first, but then I began to like it. I loved Unity at first, but then it began to drive me nuts. So, just try out Gnome 3, try out KDE, try out XFCE, and see which is best for you.


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 Re: Re: My update

 
 by marcaemus on: Aug 27 2011
 
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Yeah, probably shouldn't type when I'm feelin' a bit piqued.


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 Gnome 3, hands down

 
 by code933k on: Nov 1 2011
 
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Not as slow as KDE4 at startup, launching apps and some other tasks. Not as mouse and #WIMP centered as XFCE, it is the thing resembling the most XMonad (which I love)

If you tried unity instead of Gnome 3 or tried to judge development stuff against stuff which did work at that time, it is obvious why you didn't like it -Just makes me remember the things most people said about KDE 3.9 / KDE 4.x until now [....]

People should start thinking in productivity instead of plain heavy weight desktop stuff. Gnome 3 is easy for the n00b, yet doesn't hide or try to duplicate the real Linux experience: system services. Thus, I think Gnome 3 is advancing towards the right goals -Including GTK3 CSS under the hood. Even my mom loved it.

It is going pretty neat in the Netbook, but I think some people doesn't understand it just because they didn't get the right background when learning to use their computers i.e., they get it as a point and click thing -I mean, LCTS: lack of productivity plus carpal tunnel syndrome!

Anyway, I'm glad XFCE is there for older computers, Gnome 3 for people like me and KDE4 for people who wants some more stuff going around the screen when they are just gaming, codding, text-typing or browsing the Internetz.


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 To be fair

 
 by marcaemus on: Nov 3 2011
 
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To be fair, I've just been trying Gnome 3 on a Fed 16 live CD. Quite nice really.


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 Re: To be fair

 
 by marcaemus on: Nov 10 2011
 
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Nice enough that I decided to get one myself.
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 Honeymoon's Over

 
 by marcaemus on: Nov 13 2011
 
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Now that the novelty's worn off, unimpressed. The gtk3 styling's nice but the continual bouncing off the top left is annoying. The application menu/icons take quite a while to load - I don't understand why the main menu should be so slow.

The few gtk3 apps are essentially the same as their earlier versions so I don't see any real innovation (for the end user) here. Must say, on balance, epiphany seems to be becoming a good browser. Webkit still feels quicker than firefox. Resouce usage is lighter than KDE but if you kill the akonadi gremlin running 'round under the desktop then KDE is only slightly heavier.

As for the famous 'my grandmother could use it', I'll refer to Robbie's posting earlier in the group. You're stuck with what the gnome devs think is best for you - no window raise on focus is one example.

I know its early in the life of gnome 3. Maybe I'll come back to it later.


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